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Capital Ships - WW1 doesn't happen

Given the 100 year anniversary of the beginning of WW1, there are some articles up on how the world would have differed if a diplomatic solution had been found before it started and war was...

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  dorknought  Interesting stats.  I'm not sure that numbers would continue just going up as likely the older ships would start to be retired.  Given the growth in ship size and capacity Dreadnought...

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  miketr  Damn, just replied to dorknought and seen you're post.  In general agreement and as you say the situation in Germany is going to be interesting.  With the army wanting more to match the...

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a) Why the leveling off of the Russian total in ~1917? Are you still assuming the revolution? The Russian program was for 8 Project GUK ships (38 000 12 16" guns) to be laid down in 1915 and in...

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1) General diplomatic trends had been improving. 2) In short term Germany was backing out of the Dreadnought arms race. I agree that diplomatic trends were improving. However, Germany is more likely...

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How would the Kiel Canal have handled those larger ships? Did they take into account large increases in single ship tonnage when they were upgrading it?

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The pre war built locks were 1017 feet and 137 feet wide. Max draft was 32ft. A ship the size of Bismarck could fit through:

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dorknought Many thanks. A lot of fascinating information and good answers to my questions. Sounds like the Germans could rack up the naval race higher but uncertain whether they would decide its...

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Many thanks from me as well, lots of really informative stuff

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Dorknot as you note Germany had run up debt the reason is the Central govenrment had tarrifs, various excise taxes and a death duty as its funding sources. The Lander or state governments had the...

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Dorknot by the way what is your source for German building plans? Michael

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Dorknought,Your posts are entertaining to read, but the manner in which you treat each facet leaves a lot to be desired. You go on at some length about German probable causes to various events and do...

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Caden2248 wrote: Dorknought,Your posts are entertaining to read, but the manner in which you treat each facet leaves a lot to be desired. You go on at some length about German probable causes to...

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stevep59 wrote:Caden2248 wrote: Dorknought,Your posts are entertaining to read, but the manner in which you treat each facet leaves a lot to be desired. You go on at some length about German probable...

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Thanks for the feedback. Dorknot by the way what is your source for German building plans? Michael It's mostly "Building the Kaiser's Navy", The Imperial Navy Office and German Industry in the Tirpitz...

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RN had its own little period of naval contraction 1905-1908 when new ship orders were very limited, light cruisers almost unknown and DD and submarine orders modest. Even under the German scare, when...

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Dorknought You mention with regards to US-Japan relations "Except the US probably is not a threat. If Russia is going to oppose the Open Door in China then Japan and GB will have the US behind them."...

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NewGolconda wrote:RN had its own little period of naval contraction 1905-1908 when new ship orders were very limited, light cruisers almost unknown and DD and submarine orders modest. Even under the...

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Russia will continue to be seen as the major threat to Japan, especially without WWI and a Russian collapse and civil war. However there were also considerable tensions between the US and Japan. Most...

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I have to categorically disagree with the assessment that the Great War is the impetus for the USN expansion in 1916. Perhaps the way of looking at it is that the war compressed a 16 capital ship...

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They'd want to, but Congress hated cruisers. Without the WNT to squelch battleship construction would they swallow anything after the CCs?

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